Wo, I went off on a 'I'm never gonna get this kimono to fit depression' when I turn around, there's answer coming from all directions. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them, but I'm a bit sceptical because I usually edit the values in the wondow around the decimal place leaving it untouched - I've seen the problem you describe Kruse in the morph dials - that's where I developed the "don't touch that dot" technique - but I'll try in the joint editoer. Then I'm off to learn how to editr Cr2 - just for the fun! angola