Personally? So long as the basic functions are stable, the less MS monkeys around with any OS they make the better....as most of that monkeybusiness involves cheap jewelry and tacky add-ons that were never intended to go under the hood of an OS to begin with. So long as I can turn off or circumvent file protection, find and clear the dll cache, delete the registry entries for the security kludges, and physically yank IE, Outlook, scripting host, address book, and associated fubars out by the short and curlies, you don't need MS to 'fix things'. Biology 101: remove the vectors for viral spread, and you have no viral spread. My systems may not be MS submissive, but they are a hell of a lot more secure.....