I set the groups up in Cinema 4d, I did a heirarchy there but it didn't carry over.  So I pulled all the group parts in one long list.  As it would happen Tail 2 and Tail 8 were out of order from top to bottom, and this somehow carried over into PHI builder.  The parts actually switched names because tail2 was tail 8 but the hierarchy still applied, rotating tail 7 would rotate tail 8 which was down where tail 2 was.
The tut I found was for rigging mostly outside poser which I liked the sound of.  In order for his Mapper program to work it needed an mtl.  In and out of Poser was the suggestion.  Not sure why but he said to do it.