Incognitas, yes the last pic does look really good. Thanks for the tip on indoor scenes and HDRI, I have seen a few at DAZ forums use something like that. I will try to experiment with HDRI more on outside scenes, as well as fake radiosity and more light situations. I wish Bryce had more text in the GUI, cause I find sometimes when a scene doesn't look right, its hard to mouseover everything only to find that a HAZE setting was set to high and messed up HDRI or similar.