The problem above stemmed, like you say, from Cinema, as soon as I save out, names are changed and I would need to edit the obj before anything else.  The orders were completely messed up in an order I couldn't figure out  like neck05 would be neck01.  For some reason it takes the zero out.  So I tried Riptide again, no matter what I do it says DOH! No Base Material, then crashes when I click OK.   These were my settings but I tried all different ones.  I have a material assigned to all the groups too. This was the version you told me to get 7.3+  I placed the riptide folder inside this folder cinema4dsdk inside the plugins folder. Any ideas?  Is it installed properly?