hehe thanks alot Tiari..And do all posers have Victoria and michael in it or would i need too buy it ? ( just curious).. Ill keep at it and not give up from frustration! lol And well to be honest i think i meant making a head from scratch by making my own face..basically NOT using one of the characters already in poser. Thats what i mean by making my own face :) Now i bet you are going too tell me i need too make my own texture for that then ? :/ * runs* lol