Hi, Poser users, I dont think you understand what I ment when I started this thread and luckily for me brain21 is my only suporter here. I never said that poser is not art and poser is not a legitinic tool but you cannot put it side by side with the all made 3d because it is not the same. Of corse its art just like photography and 2d are art but both are not 3d art, I know that poser is also 3d program but its like comparing photography and 2d painting, they are both 2d but they will never be the same and this is the reason why in the last contest they divided to specific sections like 3d and 2d and photography and this was my first complaint that was blown to the question if poser is a good tool or not so I think that poser and all kind of tools like poser should be in a differnt section. Just one last example to explain my point, currently I cannot make a figure with the ditails of the figurs that comes with poser so do you realy think that its fair to compare betwen my model that is medium+ quality and a top level poser model that was bought online?