I kinda agree with tiara - it would be nice to have the technical prowess to produce realistic eyes every time with no postwork - but i am never happy with the eyes & always touch them up in PSP7 - i don't have a very powerful PC at the moment & i would rather spend the time in PSP tinkering with the eyes - as i know what i will finish up with. I would get a bit bored keep re-rendering to get the eyes right. Saying that, hats off to the people who can get it right with no post-work.