You can also try using a terrain as your water object.The difference between a flat circle with a water texture applied and a "real" bumpy object can make all the difference. There are tutorials on how to do this, but in essence you just need to go into the terrain editor and use a fractal to create your own waves. The advantage of this method is that you can create a water object in any shape you need by painting out (clipping) the outline of your fountain. (You'll need to flatten the terrain on the Y Axis so it's almost flat) Big Tip: Subtlety is the key here. Keep an eye on the scale of the waves you paint! On a personal note: It does get annoying when people dismiss Bryce far too quickly. You only have to take a look at some of the truly inspired images that have been posted here at Renderosity to see that Bryce is capable of almost anything, and that it's rendering quality is better than almost every 3D program out there. So There!