Well, it certainly made me feel like a mook, and I do the rendering, clothing, and a lot of morphs in Cinema. Until I see a wireframe, I think netseawolf is right. I've never seen photorealism like this, even at CGTalk, posted at this speed. mickmca brings up a question: If I do so much work in Cinema, is it better to post in Cinema, or in Poser... ??? Probably Cinema, but I'd like the feedback from people here...