Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Why are alot of the thumbs cropped ?

RorrKonn opened this issue on Feb 05, 2007 · 131 posts


Argon18 posted Tue, 06 February 2007 at 7:00 PM

Quote - Steve:   Now this has been a rehash, but lets get to the meat of your question here, which seems to be, boiled down, if you can click a nudity filter, why should it matter that there be no nudity in thumbs.

I can only answer this, based on my personal opinion.  I do not work for renderosity, pay for their server, or anything else, just an artist.  Since my Kevlar's on loan (luck to your son darlin, keep the kevlar as long as you want!), I'll use the easy wash drip dry spatter guard.

Renderosity states, they would like the site to look more professional.  Granted, pleased or not by the thumbnail croppin rule, I have to agree with them.  You see, from the good, bad, and the ugly, this is a business.   There are artists on this site, that would absolutely adore if serious people in the business took a look, and decided to hire, or showcase any one of us, in a magazine, spread, or gallery.   People can lie if they want and say they just "do it for themselves", but I have to think, if people are so adamantly persecuted by showing no boobs in a thumb waving about the elite artist banner, I'd think they'd like to make a few dollars out of what they love to do, if they could.

Let me introduce you to, other than the Naked Vicky in a temple with a sword, to what really is at hand here.......

Its where I'll need the drip dry spatter garment:

"JGPVBMANC"  = Just got Poser, Vicky, Breast Morphs and No Clothes.

If someone working for a high end art magazine was looking for new talent, even if they were looking for graceful nudes, how far do you think they would get in the gallery before they go , "Next?".   Seriously, How many V3 areola's do you need to see in close up, to begin to understand the lack of "something cooking" back there?

Though I do not wholly agree with the thumbnail conundrum, I can see it from a business standpoint.   Do you seriously think an editor from heavy metal magazine, the New Yorker, or the like, would go past even two pages of "whats new" in the galleries before, again, going "Next??".

New users do come here to "look around", and I hate to break it to everyone, first impressions are important!  Would you seriously put in your professional portfolio the boob close up to advertise?  I doubt it.   We as members have had experience with "whats in" the galleries, new users don't know some of the "in your face flying genetalia" that would greet you otherwise, without the thumbnail rule.   I can only imagine what kind of impression that leaves.

On a last note, though that may not totally answer your question, the impression the gallery leaves, does not just reflect on renderosity, but bleeds over into every member who uploads to it.   Every one of us.

 

Isn't there several false assumptions in there? 

Most of the artists in the galleries are self admitted hobbyists so trying to make the thumbnails look more professional is a contridiction in terms. A lot of those that post in the galleries are beginners so if they're looking for people to hire them they have a lot more improving to do to get to a professional level.

That leads to  another assumption How serious are the people that they want to promote the artist too? I can see if they were commercial advertising companies they it would be inapropriate but if they're looking for the graphic design that most of those companies use, then they're looking in the wrong place. 

If they're fine art galleries they they're trying to promote to then how serious can they be if they get offended by  nudity? I think the impression you're talking about is just a facet of prejudice like the prejudice that Poser isn't art because you use premade models

The whole point of the problem is that you're sacrificing the many for the sake of the few. Does Renderosity seriously think they can promote to high art magazines or the New Yorker when only a small percentage of the artist in the galleries are on a professional level? 

I've seen stuff in Heavy Metal magazine that has a lot of nudity of the same type as a NVIATWAS so it can't be that since that's another assumption.

Isn't the whole point about personal taste? Some people like to crop thumbnails to show details and focus on relevant parts and there is good reason for that. Some think that showing the full frame makes it more honest and I can see a reason for that. 

What I can't see is forcing everyone to make thumbnails a certain way out of a false assumtion of what kind of impression it makes. That's just as bad as forcing everyone to have an auto-generated full frame thumbnail.

It certainly shows a total lack of tolerance for personal taste


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