Thank's I had a look at your tut but you are mixing opaque objects although the basics are the same the problem only occurs when mixing glass and a solid label, either the glass takes on some of the property's of the label or vice versa. No matter what I try in the material editor the effect is either a dull washed out glass or a reflective label (yes reflectivity on the label is set to 0). Anyway thanks I will keep looking for a solution.