wolf359 - know what you mean about that very defined muscularity. I don't often need that muscular definition in the characters I'm interested in, but I was always hoping someone might have a go at a high quality displacement map for some of that detail for Apollo.
PDXJim did one as part of his 'Apollo Lives' product that added a little more general definition, but I think it could be taken a lot further.
I'm quite happy with where you can take Apollo (especially with Cole). Cole does offer some nice back muscles I've found.

 

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