...you do know that DAZ uses DAZ|Studio (and/or Carrara nowadays) for their in-house renders, right? Oh, and Bryce for all the Bryce stuff. They're extremely huge into 'eating their own cooking', to put it in a phrase. (Heh - they published an entire children's Christmas story book using only D|S to do it). Nothing against Poser per se, but if you want to know how they do it, them's the main rendering tools. /P (PS: No, this ain't no NDA thingy that I'm aware of, either... so don't nobody go screaming).