i suppose that is the difference between comercial artists and expressive artists, i did mean to expand the concept of the computer interface so both fields could of expertice could post art expressing the disapointment with the restriction that curent interfaces have or imagine the interfaces of the future, what hapens when the interface or icon is the artwork? i think the matrix movie for example shows how people interface with computers, or was it the opposite? my poor expression of the concept is probably the reason for the lack of interest, jpg is fine for submissions. .. ''regardless if the comp happens or not I'm going to have a crack at it after i see some responses'' this might take a while... who knows i might become a merchant lol.