Darkworld, I think V4 is more neutral than V3. She is geared more to international shapes and especially ...youth... I'm beginning to think. It's harder to make V4 older. Look at the promos at DAZ this week... But hey! This is what a lot of people want. Teens and faeries. She(V4) delivers. V3 was born 27 years old... For realism,, check out the forehead, cheek and jaw forward morphs... These set V4 apart and are capable of some pretty fantastic shapes. The face dials are sooo much better than V3. Remember,,, V3 had so many of them, you could never find the one you needed. Also,,, I've been reducing the eyes and increasing the iris size. This might help you. You need to mess with the eye mats a bit too.