Maybe it depends on which browser you're using or something like that. I am using Netscape 4.5 and it fails every single time for me. I get the first download page with the optional link, then I bounce to the page on geocities. I tried hitting the back key and clicking on the link instead, but it doesn't work either. Fooey. It happens with everyone elses geocities stuff too, as far as I have noticed. No big deal, I am relocating to www.fantasy3d.com anyway. I run that one, so it won't cause me any more problems. ===Underdog===