nomuse: LOL, thanks. That's why I left it for the end of the subject. What can I say, I have a "reference" compulsion. kaveman: Doh! I rarely remember to check the Mac Forum. My path is well worn between here and the Lightwave forum. Thanks, good to remember and thanks for the shruggy link. jerr3d: Likewise, thanks for the link. Update: I bought the VAP Extension through CP but went back to Sanctum Arts Home and checked out his FAQ. There was a note about using MacConverter which I don't remember doing for the original files and I had pngs for all those but WTH. I converted the new files, re-installed, suddenly I have pngs! EXCEPT! The MAT folder still has 20 shruggy guys and the folder just happens to still have 20 rsr's. Mystery solved! EXCEPT! The Armor Pose file has 11 shruggy guys and NO rsr's and it's missing 11 pngs. Wierdly inconsisitant. So, I guess I'm off to download xShruggy. It kind of makes me sorry I deleted 1,357 rsr's I found lurking around my HD last night. I thought they weren't needed. Thanks very much for all your very speedy replies. don