When I first loaded Vickie1 I sat back and thought "Geez, she looks like the old dragon I used to work for.." and then noticed how long her fingers were... Since then I've fiddled and tweaked and twisted and Vickie1 isn't as ugly as she first appears, it just takes some work to make her look like something - and a good texture map. I personally am very very pleased with Vickie2, it's extremely simple to get her to look reasonable, and with all due respect her proportions aren't that bad in my opinion. The P4 version however is morph light on the body, but that was expected. I do like her though as it means my library of clothes can be used and I can transfer the faces parameters I use on Vickie, to her which means she'll get used a lot for the simple stuff I do while Vic2 will sit back on her lounger waiting for those times when I want something special. I agree that those who make morphs have got their work cut out for them to make morphs for Vickie's baby sister, but to be honest that's not a problem for me. I have warrior's P4/Vic1 conversions and RenapD's conversion too so if I really want to use morphs the options are there. I'm very happy with the whole thing and feel it was money well spent, sorry you aren't so happy with it.