Cromwell, I think a lot of that has to do with the textures being used. I just got Vicky2 with the high-res textures, and you can do things similar to that. If you're just using the standard P4 woman and standard texture, you're not going to get that result. It'll be plasticy and such, but if you get a good texture, you're well on your way. I'd suggest checking www.happyworldland.com if you're in need of some textures. Or, get Vicky(2) and the high-res textures from DAZ. A bit expensive if you're on a limited budget, but fun.