JVAL- Nice logical approach and really good research. I know Mike is getting a little defensive because there has been, and likely will be, when Bryce 5 comes out, a certain amount of "I'm BETTER than YOU ARE!" So- we need some of the old Rodney King "Can't we all just get along" stuff... Actually I use Bryce too and may upgrade to Bryce 5, depending upon what it really brings that is worth upgrading for. But I am anxious to get my new VUE 4 as I really love the program. Bryce's "hard edge" look is good for architecture and mechanical type scenes, I think, while Vue's warmer, softer tones and plants are good for more poetic render styles. I think that's why VUE especially attracts people with fine art talents...