;( I really dont like taking shortcuts. Like with the straps on her legs, it would have been so much easier just to paint them on her texture but i made them a clothing item instead. So rather than paint them on a texture I want to create them on the boot itself. The boots she is wearing are the boots that I cant get permission to use. If I use the standard poser boots they are way too thin and dressy. I need something bulky and rough, like combat boots. I like the unzipped combat boot idea with draggy laces, or a bulky goth style boot with wide straps/buckes around the ankle and calf. Ah well. I'm working my way through the 3DSMax 4 tutorials, I'll figure it out eventually. I'm a pretty fast learner. Just that I'm under pressure from some people here (and I wont mention any names Nikita) to release them already. :) Thanks for the quick responses... Cheers -broken