i guess working style is the same i mean for pc and mac. let me say whats happinin'... i import obj file than spawn props. delete the original. in a text editor i write the hierarchy with rotation order and save as a phi file. .convert it and nothing happens . i dont see any thumbnail in new figure or anywhere else. then i try after spawn probs in hierarchy editor make it the hierarchies and then write hierarchy rotation order in text editor , and convert it at poser 4 ... bingo nothing happens. but if i push the button , bottom of the hierarchy editor window that says create new object , it creates a new object but i see a black thumbnail and rotation order is the default... thats what i have i guess i m gonna blow this machine down.... :))) thanks if someone helps me...