I always thought the same thing about the Geishas-not-being-prostitutes-sometimes they "doth protest too much"! Anyway, hopefully Poser 5 will get a real render engine, I love working in Poser, compaired to say Bryce where you can never see what you have until you render, and it is so fast in rendering, but it needs a better engine that you can turn down when you need the speed. Incidently, Bryce does a pretty good job on Poser stuff, but it is a royal pain getting them in and in position, Max (which I also own) has problems with things like my hair, so I haven't gotten too far in rendering in it, I bought it for the modeling anyway.