Click to see full detail Well.........there's no free lunch! Here's the same scene as above.... Rendertime: 3224 seconds instead of 163 seconds! All I did different was kick up the pixel samples from 2 to 10 min shade rate from 3.0 to 0.00 Raytrace bounces are set at 4, by the way. This is certainly a much sharper image... But as the last scene of an animation, probably overkill. I gotta say, though, a crystal object on a glass table with HDRI+AO and fine reflection and refraction...our little Poser is acting pretty grown up! I'm going to put the settings somewhere in the middle and render out an animation. ::::: Opera :::::