Thanks :)  I don't know where bagginsbill gets all of the patience to fiddle in the material room! But he's darn good!!!

The only way I can learn in that room is to mimic what someone does which is why I was bound and determined to get this worked out because it has huge potential for future projects.  Once I had it all set up and I was getting really  spikey water, I played around with settings and discovered the problem was the displacement settings. After trying several different ones I found one that seemed to look ok.

I have this scene safely tucked away for future reference. I'm running out of hair to pull, hehe

Looking forward to seeing your animation.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi