Thanks Rob, I have done some experimenting with JCJ figures and poses. 1- standard poses do not produce the intended result on JCJ figures. The values on the slave joints get settings from the PZ2 and from the master. 2- JCJ poses do not produce the intended result on standard figures. The values for the slave from the master are not saved in the PZ2 file. Only the values for the master. I think that if the values for the slave were saved then the result would be double the value on the slave. It would get instructions from the PZ2 and from the master, just as it does when a standard pose is applied. The poses look like they have to be exclusive for each type. The reason for JCJ: I have poses in my library where the lumbar region has a positive bend and the thorax has a negative bend and v.v. Can humans do this? I have examples of this seeming illogic for all of the joints that I made JCJ.