Thanks once again--I wanted a bird-found another I had in my zipped dl files-a yellow bird with red head, etc.--I tried to MAKE it look like a cardinal-gosh, I have to just completely sort through that Funstuff I think. As to the chandelier-haven't tried it yet, but my thought has been it might interfere-esp if I stay at that perspective. I've posed and imported the swan, the yellow bird (which I changed to a pseudo cardinal LOL) and duplicated the peacock's tail but haven't gotten it all together yet. BTW, I duped the tail 4x and it took over 25 minutes to render, backed it off to 3 tails, over 15 minutes, so I'm now at 1 extra tail and am going to light it-rendering was already longish. The offset tails are really super too. Thanks so much for the idea. Diane