I daresay somebody already mentioned this, but before dan split off daz from zygote (which continued as a premie supplier of medical models), zygote was the first group to produce somewhat realistic human models for inclusion as fractal designs or metacreations content (with poser 3). they were the first, and they were the best, at least until such modellers as anton and sixus became independent IMVHO. sorry for the interruption - now back to yer usual forum-wrangling :lol: