I swore I would never do this but now I am!!

I posted an image today with a thumb that was of the genital area which was clearly clothed in the that area and showing nothing of the genital area itself and the nudity flag was hit because her breasts were showing in the actual image [not the thumb], some of you may have been lucky enough to see it!!

Well you know what's coming next don't you!!   Yep it was pulled by the PTB here!

Un-bloody-believable!!!

To Admins: That thumb was within your own rules so I ask you publicly to reinstate my image!!
Nothing of the actual genital area was showing, nothing!!

Apparently, I have a little bit of "pubic hair" poking through the sides of the underwear!!

Now it gets pulled for pubic hair, I'll say it again UN-BLOODY-BELIEVABLE!!!

OH MY GOD!!!

I shoulda made sure my girl shaved first!!

I feel a lock coming on!

This is from Renerosity's own "new thumbnail" policy, where in there does it say anything about a bit of pubic hair poke out, eh, where????
My image should not have been pulled, come on Karen or Stacey, is this another addition now???

*No nudity in thumbnails. This means no clothes, clothes that are transparent or blurring of nude images. 
No areola or nipple exposure, and no transparent fabric.
No exposed buttocks – more exposure than a standard bikini bottom would constitute nudity.
No exposed male or female genitals
No Sexually Suggestive Language
No "Censored" language/images (some examples: "Warning: Nudity Inside" or black bars covering breasts/genitals)

Oy!

*"No exposed male or female genitals"
 *I understand where you are coming from and we will re evaluate the exact wording on the statement above.  But the pubic hair showing is not acceptable for a thumb in the gallery nor in the Marketplace.  

I appreciate you bringing this to our attention as needing some tweaking on the meaning behind exposing genitals (we were referring to the genital area which needs to be more clear).

We will update the wording today for the Gallery as well as the Marketplace.

Thanx for replying to my rant Stacey, appreciated!!

Not to labour the point, but I've seen many tufts of hair sticking out of the side of panties over the years and I don't consider pubic hair to be the same as a genital and I don't think a gynaecologist would either!!  Anyone????

As you have admitted your wording is not correct would you please reinstate my image and thumb as it clearly doesn't violate your TOS as it is written in it's current form!!

TY!

Fixer,

It will not be allowed since the New thumbnail guidelines became effective on Jan 24th.  Yours is not the only one that has been asked to modify their thumb for this reason. You may have seen some from the past before the new thumbnail guidelines were in place. As I stated, the wording was tweaked to be MORE clear but the as stated in my previous post, the meaning was the genital area and your thumb is not acceptable as is.  

I didn't say the wording wasn't "correct", I said that we would make it MORE clear so it would be easier to not mistake the meaning in that statement in the guidelines.

I apologize for the confusion in reading the meaning of that statement and the need to be exactly specific on what the "genital area" consist of when applying the guidelines to thumbnail images.

Hehe - I just had a similar issue with one of my thumbnails. It was determined that the outline of a nipple could be seen through the lace corset material. My tired old eyes thought that it was just part of the lace pattern but I guess not. I just had to re-crop the image a little higher for a new thumbnail.

My only bitch about this is why bother anyone concerned when the issue is such a close call? I mean, how much does this really matter to anyone that admins/mods and myself have to be troubled over such a trifling issue?

Hey, you guys aren't really members of some severe religeous cult as has been rumored - are you?! I can't even think what that would be in Tennesee - Church of the Latter Day Elvis Impersonators? lol :)

• Rick

I don't really need to know as I'm not going to bother posting crotch shots, but...

Are you going to actually qualify, on a UV coordinate basis, where the "genital area" is?

And where exactly does hair stop being "pubic" hair and start being "leg" hair? Does it have to originate from the mons pubis? Could you identify precisely where a hair comes from if the entirety of the mons pubis is in fact covered by cloth? Suppose the cloth clearly goes out past the "genetal area", but a really long pubic hair is still sticking out, is that ok or not? How about a hair that starts on the stomach, hangs down inside the underwear, and sticks out the bottom? Is a hair that passes through the pubic area a pubic hair?

The American Heritage DIctionary says pubic hair is "located in the region of the pubis". The latin "pubes" actually includes the "genital area and groin". Is groin hair ok?

Enjoy your nits.

It's kind of academic and I doubt that the admins feel a need to specify or show the exact coordinates where nether hair is acceptable. I'd imagine that a thumb of a belly button with wifts of hair from below will be considered unacceptable unless the woman in question is a close relation of Chewbacca. Even then, I wouldn't want to push it.

Renderosity isn't to blame for America's descent into "decency". I've seen stuff on 50's and 60's TV shows that will no longer be allowed today.

thefixer - Looks like you're going to have to use a Bic on your models in the future!

You know what Stormchaser it's madness, I reposted the image and put the offending thumb as a layer for peeps to see why it was pulled and now they're "editing" what I write in as my image comments!!

I wrote "offending thumb in bottom left, you decide" and someone has deleted that comment!! so I put it back!!

Censorship of the worst kind, akin to communist USSR and current day Zimbabwe!!

thefixer - I just checked out your pic. I will never be the same again, I saw some pubic hair, I will go blind!!
Oh, it's madness.

LOL, Ain't it though!!

Quote - You know what Stormchaser it's madness, I reposted the image and put the offending thumb as a layer for peeps to see why it was pulled and now they're "editing" what I write in as my image comments!!

I wrote "offending thumb in bottom left, you decide" and someone has deleted that comment!! so I put it back!!

Censorship of the worst kind, akin to communist USSR and current day Zimbabwe!!

Don't know if it will be edited or deleted again, but I looked at it and I can't see anything to be offended about.  Frankly it looks more like just skin discolouration than "pubic hair" to me.  You're right though...under the current wording of the TOS, exposed pubic hair is not a violation because it's not "genitals", and because it wasn't stated clearly in the TOS that exposed publc hair was prohibited at the time your image was uploaded, I would think your image should be allowed to stay with the original thumbnail.

Thank you Acadia, appreciated!
I could say more and you know what, but I won't because I value your friendship!! [nothing to worry about, no problems with you!!]

ur's cant POSSIBLY be as bad as the one that in the poser gallery now!

god Im glad Im not a mod here!...ya'd never get any sleep.

I wonder how long it will take to find the new image that is a blatant break in the TOS.

lol
BT

I take it you mean "bleed"
Now that is a bad thumb, no arguments there!!

Um yeah thats definately a bad one and  its been up over a half hour but theres one that has been up even longer that actually shows part of a nipple.

(edit) Hmmm they got bleed but the nipple has been there for 1 hour and 18 minutes

(edit edit) Pssst its on page 4 :P

We catch what we can when we can gang...if you see something we haven't come across yet, you can use the report feature to bring it to our attention

Not sure if I should mention it but there's an animation or something with the title 'Jungle Bunny' I think that needs to be changed by the author it could be considered racist. ;)

Dajaduce report it  use the report feature .

Attached Link: http://drip23.drizzle.com/~jangled/JugglebunnyWMV.wmv

Juggle Bunny is racist?    What's racist about a pink bunny juggling?

I think it is funny. Nothing wrong with a hairy pussy(cat). :)

Offers thefixer his lightsaber so his model can trim her hair with it.

Quote - We catch what we can when we can gang...if you see something we haven't come across yet, you can use the report feature to bring it to our attention

Um, forgive me for being so cranky again, but were I am concerned at least, no we can't.  

It's not my job to enforce the rules, thats the moderators, co-ordinators and admins job.

So I won't be reporting too many images that I come across wich break the rules, 
unless of course, it serves my own purposes to do so.

Besides jumps,  the ability to report images like that, will, in my own opinion, only serve to do two things.

1. Create and foster distrust amongst our fellow artists, and create an atmosphere of tattletales running rampant.

2. It will eventually, only lead to the feature being abused, and used as a tool to harrass and troll other people, by members who have an ax to grind with someone else for some reason.

Personally though, since this "feature" is available.

I'd like to know, what is the position of the ptb here, if a member should  
mis-use that "feature" in that way?

What exactly will be the ramifications for that member who misuses that "feature" that way?

Hmmm?

Quote - > Quote - Not sure if I should mention it but there's an animation or something with the title 'Jungle Bunny' I think that needs to be changed by the author it could be considered racist. ;)

Juggle Bunny is racist?    What's racist about a pink bunny juggling?

Actually believe it or not, here in America yes it is very un-p.c. and thus racist to say or use that term Acadia.

I’m amazed at the ill-feelings, animosity and outright hostility exhibited by so many artists here at R’osity.

I’m comparatively new to this site (so forgive me my naivety) but I for one am grateful for its existence. I may not agree with every letter of every sanction, but I think they are more than workable.

Thefixer, I can understand that you do have an argument, but question why you feel compelled to voice it, and with such fervour. Having said that, without this thread I never would have seen your image, nor your gallery, and that would have been a tragedy (love your work).

A suggestion to all – Take a deep breath and ask yourself, is your art suffering as a result of said sanctions? In the vast majority of cases I would sincerely doubt it.

**Clawshrimp **   Thanx for the compliment, the reason I voiced it so loudly is simple, I used to be a coordinator here and have stringently followed the rules here for as long as I have been a member and would never break them intentionally.

As for the offending thumb, this did not break the rules as they were written at the time of posting, that is why I am so pissed about it!!  There was no mention of pubic hair in the site TOS, just genitalia!

Ask yourslef this, Is pubic hair really genital??  No it's not, the genitals were covered, there was some pubic hair pokeing out the side of the cloth that's all!!

Genital: Sexual organ
Pubic Hair: hair around genital which in some cases reaches the leg and lower tummy area!

No offence intended Clawshrimp, just answering your question! 

Hey, none taken :).

I can see where you're coming from given your history with R'osity, and the effort you have expelled to obide by the rules.

I suppose I would just react differently. I don't see changing a thumbnail as a big deal, regardless of if it 'technically' abides by the stated rules. but then I'm often told I'm too laid back :P.

I am still concerned about that line from the TOS:
No "Censored" language/images (some examples: "Warning: Nudity Inside" or black bars covering breasts/genitals)

I am currently in a bind because I post images with nudity - however as a courtesy to the people who participate in the critique cabal, I put "(Nudity)" in the title of the image because currently Ebot notifications do not include any indication of status flags on an image - so otherwise they wouldn't know if an image contained nudity or not until they opened it, possibly in front of good old Grandma or Mr. Jenkins the Boss.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Not sure if I should mention it but there's an animation or something with the title 'Jungle Bunny' I think that needs to be changed by the author it could be considered racist. ;)

Juggle Bunny is racist?    What's racist about a pink bunny juggling?

 

Actually believe it or not, here in America yes it is very un-p.c. and thus racist to say or use that term Acadia.

He mentioned the term "Jungle Bunny".

The image is titled "Juggle Bunny".

So far as "Jungle Bunny", I've never heard that term until this thread.  As a matter of fact I've never heard of a "Juggle Bunny" either.  

         pjz99                *"I put "(Nudity)" in the title of the image"

If it's In the title of the image its ok . If its in the thumbnail picture then it will be asked you supply a new thumbnail.

Quote -          pjz99                *"I put "(Nudity)" in the title of the image"

If it's In the title of the image its ok . If its in the thumbnail picture then it will be asked you supply a new thumbnail.

What is the difference? Both the title and the thumbnail are viewable on the thumbnail page. 

The title has nothing to do with the actual thumbnail....Thats why its called a title.

What's the reasoning behind the "No black bars on images"?

Black Bars are usually covering up the nude parts of the thumbnail. It looks terrible in the galllery and not to mention miss leading too others ...So we put no black bars or blurring of image.

If that's the way the TOS is carried out, then it would be great if the TOS actually said that - current wording literally interpreted means I am required to send people Ebot land mines of nudity or other content without some workaround.  I'm glad it's OK to do things as I'm doing but I would be more comfortable if the TOS were updated to match what's in effect.

Its not really all that confusing...You got that excerpt out of TOS on the thumbnail policy.

Now if you know the difference between a thumbnail and a title of a image there shouldn't be a problem or any confushion.

@Darth: Hey no problem of being cranky..Im cranky too...long as poison darts dont start flying, Im cool with cranky :laugh:

To address your questions tho,  we're not asking the members to do our jobs by using the report feature..its just a feature one can use if they see something that offends them, or questions if something might be against the TOS.

Also, the report feature is annonymous to everyone but staff..so I dont think it will foster distrust amongst members..remember, staff do not discuss member/staff issues with anyone outside staff.

Further, if members are caught abusing that feature, they will be held to the same standards as anyone else for violations of the TOS..and the violation that comes to mind by abusing that particular feature is 'trolling' and 'harrassment'

i sugest putting no hair at all on your figures, and put them in a space suit and hide them behind a planet in another galaxy viewed from in a cave on a distant moon, i think only then will you be 100% safe....lol
or just do blank thumbs...lol

lol shedofjoy

"" sugest putting no hair at all on your figures, and put them in a space suit and hide them behind a planet in another galaxy viewed from in a cave on a distant moon, i think only then will you be 100% safe""

Until they create a gallery specifically for "no hair figures in space suits hiding behind planets in a cave".    Then there will also be the forum for "no hair figures in space suits hiding behind planets in a cave" - 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Not sure if I should mention it but there's an animation or something with the title 'Jungle Bunny' I think that needs to be changed by the author it could be considered racist. ;)

Juggle Bunny is racist?    What's racist about a pink bunny juggling?

 

Actually believe it or not, here in America yes it is very un-p.c. and thus racist to say or use that term Acadia.

He mentioned the term "Jungle Bunny".

The image is titled "Juggle Bunny".

So far as "Jungle Bunny", I've never heard that term until this thread.  As a matter of fact I've never heard of a "Juggle Bunny" either.  

The term "Jungle Bunny" is a phrase used to refer to people of African ancestry, usually with derogatory intent.  Like the infamous "N" word, it is not socially acceptable.

I can't view the video as I'm at work, but I'm guessing "Juggle Bunny" merely describes the action of the lapine presented in the animated clip, that is, a rabbit tossing balls into the air to create a circular rhythm.

Sincerely,

Bill

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Not sure if I should mention it but there's an animation or something with the title 'Jungle Bunny' I think that needs to be changed by the author it could be considered racist. ;)

Juggle Bunny is racist?    What's racist about a pink bunny juggling?

 

Actually believe it or not, here in America yes it is very un-p.c. and thus racist to say or use that term Acadia.

He mentioned the term "Jungle Bunny".

The image is titled "Juggle Bunny".

So far as "Jungle Bunny", I've never heard that term until this thread.  As a matter of fact I've never heard of a "Juggle Bunny" either.  

 

The term "Jungle Bunny" is a phrase used to refer to people of African ancestry, usually with derogatory intent.  Like the infamous "N" word, it is not socially acceptable.

I can't view the video as I'm at work, but I'm guessing "Juggle Bunny" merely describes the action of the lapine presented in the animated clip, that is, a rabbit tossing balls into the air to create a circular rhythm.

Sincerely,

Bill

Yeah it seems certain people need to learn to use that little thing my Airframes Shop Chief called Attention to DETAIL.

I cant believe  that many people mis-read that word and got all upset about it.

Believe it, dasquid.

Not too long ago, a U.S. politician used a word in a speech. The word means "grudgingly mean about spending or granting", somthing you might call someone who was both miserly and petty about it. Said word has never to my knowledge had any racial overtones.

However, the first part of said word sounds the same as the the infamous "N" word. Two similar-sounding words, different spellings, totally different meanings.

He was raked over the coals by the press. All the usual politicos who get their name in the paper for such things denounced his insensitivity in using such a word.

So you don't have to mis-read the word to get upset about it. You can get upset about it just as it is. If your're that type.

Welcome to the good ole' You 'S' of Hey! ;D

The land of the free (trying to free as much up for government/commercial use as possible) and home of the brave (well, it used to be the home of the 'brave' until all of the European settlers and descendants swept across the continent and obliterated them).  And where you can't speak proper English, using a word like NIGGARDLY, without idiots who refer to their lawyers before a dictionary start lampooning you.

I'm posting this, because if you follow the etymology (that's the derivation of the origin and change of the word over time - for the politicians) you'll note that there is not a single reference to Africa... go figure.

Main Entry:1niggard
Pronunciation:nig(r)d
Function:noun
Inflected Form:-s
Etymology:Middle English nigart, nigard, niggard, probably from earlier nig niggard (of Scandinavian origin) + -art, -ard; akin to Old Norse hnggr niggardly, stingy, hnggva, hnyggja to humble, bring down; akin to Old English hn*aw niggardly, stingy, Old High German hniuwan to crush, Greek knyein to scratch, knoos, knous grating noise of an axle, sound of footsteps, knuos itch, Latvian knTt, knTst to itch and to Latin ciner-, cinis ashes * more at INCINERATE

 : a person meanly close and covetous

I stopped listening to, trying to understand, and believing politicians completely after the Terry Shiavo 'bill'.  And this race for absolute PCness can only lead to book and people burning.  Smile while they do it - or you might insult someone...

Quote - I am still concerned about that line from the TOS:
No "Censored" language/images (some examples: "Warning: Nudity Inside" or black bars covering breasts/genitals) [...]

You know, pjz, I explored this very issue back when the new thumbnail policy came out.  If we're not allowed to have the words "Censored" et. al. in our thumbnail, what do we do if the entire image is a picture of the word Censored?!

"Censored - An Exploration of Thumbnail Hypocrisy?"

It was determined by the moderators that since the thumbnail was an accurate depiction of the image, it was ok.  They tried to explain off the reason for the restriction of using such words in the thumbnail was to prevent misleading viewers.  Because, you know it's really misleading when an image that is flagged for nudity with black bars or the words "nudity" over breasts or genitalia on the thumbnail in a gallery where nudity in the thumbnails is disallowed.  You might click on the image and expect the black bars to be there, or maybe a martian.  I don't know.  You figure it out.

The reason why artists get so pissed of towards this new thumbnail policy is because it hampers the way in which your art can be displayed. Take a look at the gallery. Its all bloody head shots. You can't differentiate between the themes of the pics. I took a look at your gallery clawshrimp - most of your gallery is males and all of your gallery is clothed people. You won't be affected by the new rules and regulations. Therefore you can't understand why people are insensed.
Censorship pisses me off, Censorship for stupid reasons makes it even worse. People have the ability to flag nudes  - if you don't want to see them - DON"T LOOK AT THEM.
"Is our art suffering as a result of said sanction?" Damn skippy it is.
The new rules and becoming more and more restrictive. And more and more ridiculous.
I mean bloody hell, tufts of pubic hair?

*I wonder, if it's maybe that huge of a deal, why don't they just make put up the disclaimer "If you're under 18 / or 16," either drag a parent into the room with you, or become subjected "to things you all ready know exist" at your own risk. *Maybe we should be teaching younger viewers what "artistic beauty is about"... oh wait, don't they have parents for that?? ... 

....

... A disclaimer to inform the parents?? 

...... (The cute part is, you know it could go in a sillier loop than that - Dare ya to start the rumour ;-) Someone's going to cry wolf and call for the parental newsletter LOL)