Hi Folks! This is a painful thread, but it too shall pass, I hope. Of course we all have a right to be testy about the ownership of our work. I support not only the efforts of Renderosity, DAZ and C.L in that regard, but the efforts of individuals like Anton as well. But the truth is, no one owns the playing card motif. It would be like claiming ownership of the design for the American stop sign. Here's your history lesson for today, folks! Playing cards emerged from the same thousand year-old exercises used to teach military strategy that gave us games like checkers and chess. And those exercises were invented by the same people who invented pasta--the Chinese. Thanx for posting those images, Wolf. Now I know what I want to do with the Jack of Spades. Peter (Dr Zik)