Thanks. Yeah Apache is a web server software so, it is definitely a problem on their end. I sent them a note. I did coerce my Vue5 to use the built in update option, and it seemed to have downloaded, but didn't run, which is why I wanted to download the Vue5 update manually. If you were there today and didn't have any problems, perhaps it is because normally the site uses a cookie to remember you so you don't have to login each time. I recently got a new computer and so have to login to all my sites again. Oh well I am sure it will get resolved soon enough. Thanks for the replies, they were helpful. -Paul