I really like Apollo and - alot of the things about him - especially like the fact that he's free.  I am beginning to think though, that it would be in my best interest to work with M3 instead.  Seems there is alot more support - community and otherwise with that model.  

My initial idea was that was all Apollo needed - a following of sorts.   Ah well - color me frustrated - back to some V4 work lol.

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