Thank a lot. :-) I said I was a beginner to Poser not to 3D modeling. Yes, I have trueSpace 4.0 for my modeling though I have not tried figure modeling as of yet. I also use Bryce 4.0 I will try to look at my user manuals a little better and use your advise on the phi builder. "if I find time". Thanks a lot and if you wish to see what a "beginner" can do go here. http://www.ipa.net/~n0mad