Thanks for the reply Mark.

That is a nice easy way to get a hole in something.  Much better than the way I was trying.  As for it being easy; I agree an apple or beach ball may have been more up my alley lol.  I did have something at one point that from across the room did in fact resemble scissors though - so I have hope and Im going to keep on trying = D

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