Diane and Dave will you both send me a mail please so I can add you to the mailing list ready for when we start....mazdak it people like you we need please join in...Radart I a agree totally if we don't try we gain nothing. as for more info I don't really know where its going to lead my first thought was that shops ect advertising on the web could have virtual cat walks changing rooms ect. maybe a site mascot ...big chunky guy welcoming you too www.woodworkersworld.com (don't try that link LOL) stuff like that..this is the stuff we need to discuss.....Steve