Yes, a very much to each his own kind of stuff. Best is to do what you can do best in. I heard of Vue 2 when it was out but never bought it because it was not 'useable' with Poser. Then, I read about 2.1 able to do so and was just tagging along and knew that Vue 3 was around the bend. At that time, I already had Bryce but never quite use it at all. It was just too time consumming with the render and being a 2d artist, it hard to accept that kind of wait time. A complex 'rendering' wait time with a filter plugin would almost 'kill' me already. When Vue 3 was release, I never even tried the Vue 2 demo and it was an investment I never regret. What I fear now is that, expecting too much from Vue 4 may turn out to be disappointing, so jsut have to wait and see. Bryce 5...what's going with it, wish I know.