Smile... Good one, Mike... Well.. I'm ok with this Challenge of Challenge, where the challengers are challenged by the challenged ones who will then vote until the 23rd. Am i right? (i have an excuse, i'm French.; ;o) / /././././././ Cake1's Challenge proposition: _________________________________ D I R T Explanation : Forget the shiny chromes and gold, the beautifull glossy lips, the lighting skin tones, and let's make some dirt. It's on my opinion one of the hardest thing to do in 3d, and the more realistic effect when well done. I don't mean dirt literaly, i mean a render which is not as clean as it is MOST OF THE TIME. Use bumps, use textures, use lights, use imagination, just use whatever you want, but let's have some soiled materials for a while. / /././././././ Thank you for reading hope you'll like the idea Cecile