Hmmm. Maybe I'll have to check that out Wolf. For right now, I have Poser 5, and it came with both the poser 4, and Firefly render engines. Firefly is a waste if you ask me; it chokes a lot and takes forever. I use the Poser 4 render engine and it's much faster, produces a very clean image and hasn't choked on me once, even during very complicated scenes. Firefly once took several hours to render something for me, whereas Poser 4 render took about 20 minutes, and actually produced a superior image. Your take on Cinema 4D intrigues me though...

And Tomsde, I agree with you about Mike 2. I think he's much better than Mike 3. In order to use Mike 3 effectively, you have to buy all kinds of extra morphs and packages, driving the cost way up. Just to open his mouth requires an extra morph purchase! Using Mike 2 "right out of the box" is much better. He's user friendly, and doesn't require a whole bunch of extras just to work with him. I think he's far superior. And now that Kimber89 has provided me with the links for some good quality Mike 2 textures, I can forsee that Apollo max and Mike 2 will fulfill all my male Poser needs from now on.

Here's the link to my freebies:   https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?uid=493127

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