thank you for your help, and melanie, i believe its because the curly hair is a cr2 file, and not hr2, which is automatically parented to the head, i wish they would have done it with both the hair and the clothes, but im sure they were just looking for a shortcut, although, im guessing that the hr2 files can't handle posing, but the cr2 files can, they should have created another file type for hair and clothes i think. oh well, theres always poser 5 =-) Dragon Missy