These are, by far, the best characters you could invest in. They have much more versatile faces than the standard Poser 4 figures, with tons of morphs. Vicki came out a little over a year ago, and her upgrade just appeared in the last couple of weeks. Michael came along around last autumn, if I remember right, and I would not at all doubt that the upgrade for him is in the works. Hop on over to DAZ3D and check them out. These are almost the only characters I ever use anymore. I haven't used the standard P4 figures in months. You can create countless characters with them. Melanie