Known bambam for ages.. he does good stuff. Now try getting that Poserized. shudder I'd rather pull out my fingernails. Clarification: You work for days or weeks making a model. To get it into Poser, you work for days or weeks... It wrecks the phong settings. It turns furniture into Toon Town rejects. It does mindboggling things to the UV mapping. Your textures turn to glue. Faces disappear. You have to do strange and arcane things to it in Poser... Did I mention my hands shake and my stomach churns every time I even think about opening Poser? Afraid my stuff will stay in Cinema.