I agree with Incarnadine,all of the comments and everything else is extra icing on the cake. The only reason I went with Renderosity, is that with the problems I had when first using Bryce, this was the best forum that I found for actually getting help. All of the others had either been dead for at least a year, or it was filled only with people that needed help, or no one cared. With Renderosity though, I got answers almost immediately. I could go to a Bryce only site, or like Dann-O said, a site that does not permit Poser, and has a large percentage of members that truly appreciate the abstracts and landscapes, and I don't know what it is, but's it cool images. But if I did that, well, I would miss people like The Bryster with his super high speed martian internet satelite connection. Oh, and I have to apologize for my earlier rant, I have now used 1, and only 1 object that I haven't built. It was a boat. But I built the world up around it.