Yes! This is just what I mean, about the terrans and materials in bryce!! I wonder if they (Corel) are going to "fix" this...-probably not- and I am actually worried that Vue 4 will change this wonderful thing.. take it away... when they update the terrain editor and the way it handles materials! I saw the vue sneak peek...and the mountian there looks like the way materials are handled in bryce! worried I plan on waiting to see sample images of this very part of vue 4 before paying MORE money for a program I am already happy with... And thank you very much for your compliments! Now I have to live up to them, for my next effort! :)