You could also add a mirror to the wall over the cardinal. Of course, that will probably increase your render time dramatically. It took 19+ hours to render a scene in Bryce 4 I did recently for the USOC (now if I can convince them that they NEED it - 8-)). I used three very reflective materials, two cloud layers, and a ground plane, and made it render at 2880 x whatever. With all that reflective material, and plenty to reflect, I'm surprised my poor Pentium 233 didn't roast. lol I started it about 7-8 pm then let it finish rendering while I was asleep (turn monitor brightness down), and when I awoke it was done. It's a big@$$ image, but worth the wait. Newc