Ok thanks...I guess them normals thingies are under the advanced tab?. I am using P6 on someone elses PC, just trying it out to see if I can work with it, and haven't got as far as the advanced mat lab.

Hi Richard, while you are over here, go check my gallery out, see what I can do when I am not using all my time making textures  :lol:  Rend has always been my spiritual home, and as you will see Bryce is my normal prog of choice.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop  the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."