Apparently Martin, you have never used Quark XPress 4! THAT is one of the buggiest apps I'VE ever seen! We had a choice at my last job to use 4 or 3.32 (which I chose the latter) and 3.32 is what I still prefer to this day. All those years between versions and they STILL couldn't get it right! :) You are right about Vue 4 however...it is a MAJOR upgrade and I'm sure there will be a few little tics. But I don't think too many of us will be complaining when we finish our first real Vue 4 render! Laurie