I think that is probably the extreme of the spectrum - of what I was talking about anyway.  not sure that poke through is = to surfaces you can eat off of.

It's more like what is, and what is not truly realisitic and within that realm how far can a person go with thier individual tastes and stay in that group.

I kinda think that realistic within the artistic community is just alot different than realistic in the world.

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