Yeah Connie recommended that I don't do the groups in the modeling program.  I like to be hard headed though : /  
I did try doing it in UVmapper, but I can't get my head around the selection methods in that program, I hate it.  So far AutoGroup Editor works for me.  The Ultimate tool kit is on sale this week too, might get that.

okcrandy from CP apollo forum helped me a ton with the boxers.  Now the plan is to use the base he created and begin to understand things.  Hey it's a plan...

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