"I hope they have sorted out the Kentia for Vue4, because at the moment it looks as if someone has got to it with a machete first!" .......... Yeah, you got THAT right! I have to admit to being somewhat disappointed with the Kentia. I've managed to "grow" a few good ones, but it takes some time, sometimes. One of my favorite plants in the world is a Chinese Palm, which the Kentia reminds me of, and I would LOVE to have a better and more "reliable" Kentia for Vue. Thanks for the compliments all, but I'm afraid to say I don't know if I'll be able to upload any materials-- it seems that some of what I had thought was mine actually is partially based on color maps from Varian and bloodsong's "whole mountain" materials, in the form of complex mixes with native Vue nmaterials... I don't know if they would work for someone who doesn't already have all the same stuff installed in the same folders..and of course there is the law of, "Thou shalt not redistribute"....